I am tall. I am mostly tall from my legs, with a torso length which borders other short side of regular. I ordered a 12 tall as I'm between 10 and 12 in most brands, and thought if they shrink no harm, whereas the size 10 shorts from ON from 2 yrs ago I hate, rarely wear and finally am too hot in su...mmer so I'm getting all new shorts. The rise is listed as mid, and shown as under the bellybutton... are the models wearing petite?! Do they have super long torsos?? These came well above my bellybutton, like a super high rise. I'm 42, have had 3 kids, don't exercise and hormone shifts are making me want to start, so the rise wasn't a deal breaker, even though my proportions would look comical if I tucked a shirt in, I'm just explaining for reference. No, the issue comes from feeling like maybe I'm supposed to have a lot more bum hip and thigh for a 12? Because they seem way too big. They hit at a very, "I'm a modest adult" spot from my conservative dresser perspective, but there is a lot of extra fabric. I good 1.5 to 2 inches off the leg circumference, and a smidgen off the hip and out of the seat and I'd look like I at least have a bum, and not like I'm wearing an A-line sack. So I ordered 12 regular. These fit. It's like comparing 12 regular with 14 tall, but all fit the same according to there specified fit. Also, the regular colors are just better. Black looks lived in, khaki is brighter and warmer and the green is more drab and classic. Fabric for either fit is thick and feels like quality compared to the Old Navy trash, and very soft. May get more while on sale.